Alternative Kislev models?
#1
As I have finished all my purchases for the Araby army (still waiting for my BTD order...), I have only to paint them and they are done (which will ofc be easier said than done). In either case, I can't help but feel slightly drawn to Kislev, as I will soon begin revising their list again. So, given that GW's models are both really expensive and hard to get by, where can I find the best alternatives? I have checked Old Glory's range and the Assault groups, but there is still a few things I'm missing. To summarize:

Marshal - Tsar Boris/valmir von raukov
Boyar - Boyar
Hag - Mordheim witch or reaper witch coven
Ice Witch - Tzarina Katarin
Frost Maiden - http://www.coolminiornot.com/store/produ...xProd=2225
Priest of Ursun - Ar-Ulric (or possibly a Khador character)
Droyaska - http://shop.dwarftales.com/index.php?pro...prod_id=37
Gospodar Militia - http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/prodde...prod=ME-32 or http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/prodde...rod=DIF-30
Kossars - http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/prodde...rod=DAR-01
Druzhina - http://www.grippingbeast.com/shop.php?CatID=296
Ungol Horse Archers - http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/prodde...prod=ME-02
Hawks of Miskha - warmaster great eagles
Winged Lancers - http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/prodde...rod=ERA-01
Gryphon Legion - http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/prodde...rod=ERA-02
Streltsi - http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/prodde...rod=ERA-20
Sibyrian Hunters - http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/index.ph...nt_811_000
Kreml Guard - http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/prodde...prod=ME-31
Bear Packs with tamers - reaper dire bears
Sons of Ursun (bear cavalry) - old glory hussars on reaper bears
War Wagon - http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/prodde...rod=DIF-23
Urugan Cannon - http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/prodde...rod=WRE-05

Updated list with links for others to use.
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#2
seen these?
http://shop.dwarftales.com/index.php?cat...rt=default
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#3
Awesome! I had seen the lower one, and thought about buying it, but unfortunately neither me or google translate spoke good enough Polish Tongue

Thanks a lot, I'll be getting those for sure!
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#4
Try these guys as an alternative to Old Glory
http://www.theassaultgroup.co.uk/store/home.php?cat=1
these guys do Bear cav with dwarves
http://www.mirliton.it/index.php?page=3&...es&sort=1a
and this is the most awesome Bear on the market
http://www.sciborminiatures.com/en_,shop.php?art=851
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#5
Thanks, but I already knew of those. I might be looking into some of the assault group models, but I save a lot on old glory (40% discount) so I will stick to them as much as possible. I also already bought Tsar Boris on ebay, so I have the bear general I need already. Might buy some scibor moscovites though.

Will look into that bear cavalry though, could probably replace those dwarfs with hussars without too much effort.
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#6
(03-10-2010, 08:24 PM)M4cR1II3n Wrote: Thanks, but I already knew of those. I might be looking into some of the assault group models, but I save a lot on old glory (40% discount) so I will stick to them as much as possible. I also already bought Tsar Boris on ebay, so I have the bear general I need already. Might buy some scibor moscovites though.

Will look into that bear cavalry though, could probably replace those dwarfs with hussars without too much effort.

I assume that you have bought stuff from Old Glory before, but keep in mind that their cavalry is TINY compared to GW cavalry. Their infantry is not too bad - a bit smaller but it fits. If you have no GW cavalry in your army, it might look alright, but your knights will still be much smaller than all your enemies. I got a package of OG winged hussars a while ago, and I'm not sure if I will ever use them due to their small size.

Just keep that in mind before you go buying a few packs of their cav Smile

Tim
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#7
I have bought some infantry from them, which works just fine thanks to the slightly elevated base they are on. I also have some musketeer miniatures cavalry, which are a lot smaller than the GW ones, but they still work just fine. I will at least keep the OG miniatures in separate units from the GW ones.
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#8
Yeah, the elevated base helps even them out. The OG cavalry is definitely useable, just might look funny to some. The funny thing is they are more realistic - if you compare GW footsoldiers to the GW knights, the knights would probably all be like 6'6" or more, lol.

Have you ever thought of using wargames factory plastics for kislev troops? I got some of their germans and vikings, and with a few tweaks, they could work really well for kislev foot troops - only downside is the 'realistic' weapon size vs the 'heroic' oversized weapons on GW minis. Their upcoming saxons look like they could work even better for kislev IMO.
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#9
I have seen those models, but they won't be that great for kislev imo. Remember Kislev are set at a renaissance setting like the empire, whereas these models are based on the 4-5th century. They might work as kossars, but that's about it.
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#10
Yeah, I could see that, but then again I'm not as well versed in history, so I don't notice things that are historically out of context. I always thought that kislev was a bit less advanced than the empire, or perhaps more of a mishmash of 'renaissance' type troops like the cossacks with musket and bardiche mixed in with some local militia with outdated chainmail armour that is more akin to a 'medieval' setting. I figured the WF troops would make good local militia, and also kossars if you sculpt on some fur. If I were to use them as kislev troops, I could probably make the helmets a bit more like the eastern european helmets that were more pointy than round.
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#11
Well you are right in that Kislev is less advanced, if they were a historical army they would have a lot more handguns and pistols, and a lot less bows. The Kossars are kinda a mix of historic cossacks and barbarian warriors, ungols are mongols/zarapovians (spelling?), the rest are renaissance Polish and Russians.
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#12
I've been looking into expanfding my Kisleve Allies into a full army. More Lancers and Gryphon Legion, and Ungol Horse, plus some Empire Troops to make a more balanaced army (some effective infantry and maybe a cannon or some Maneaters). The Assault Group Haiduks look OK, but I can't see any details of the minis. How is the quality of the casting?
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#13
I have some from their Ottoman range, they are smaller than GW's models, but the casting is pretty good, not many mould lines. Definitely worth the price imo.
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#14
Got hold of a Droyaska model, and know what to use for both bear pack, war dogs and hawks of mishka now too. One question though: does anyone know of any good model for a bear tamer, other than the GW one? It shows up ebay rarely, and costs way more than I would be willing to pay for just one model.
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#15
You could try making your own using chaos marauder plastics and empire plastics. Also, the Old Glory Rus line looks not too bad for a rustic bear tamer. I planned on using a model from the rus with axes set - Id DAR-01

What are you using for your bears? I like the bellicose bears from wargames foundry - expensive, but realistic.
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#16
I'd rather not use GW models due to the price tag, plastic or not. I found some Kossars in a store in Sweden, pricey, but it will at least give me a unit of 15 which I will bulk up with a unit filler. The rest I will make from Old Glory as far as I can.

It's pretty hard to see the pics of the Rus with Axes though, think you could post a better one?

For bears I'll be using the ones from Reaper:
http://www.reapermini.com/FigureFinder#detail/02878
http://www.reapermini.com/FigureFinder#detail/14452

and maybe this guy, it does come with a tamer:
http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/index.ph...lk_221_000

and possibly this one:
http://ironwindmetals.com/catalog/produc...ts_id=1214

The bears from foundry look great too though, but very expensive as said (not that these bears would be much cheaper).
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#17
I will try and post a pic of the Rus with axes later - I'm not at home at the moment. The sculpt is definitely lower quality than GW, but that's to be expected with OG. I like that they have pointy helmets, some have furs, some are bare chested. Meets my idea of backwoods kislev.

Tim
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#18
Hmm, that sounds pretty good, I thought they looked too medieval to work as renaissance kislevites. But according to your description they do sounds like they might work as Kossars after all. Please try to remember to post a picture of them, I wanna know if I should add them to my shopping list Smile
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#19
Here you are, hopefully they are more clear than the awful pics on the OG site. I guess you can't blame OG that much considering the sheer volume of minis they have.

There are 10 poses in the package - 3 of each are given. There are also 30 square shields as pictured, front and back visible.

[Image: Rus5.jpg]

[Image: Rus4.jpg]

[Image: Rus3.jpg]

[Image: Rus2.jpg]

[Image: Rus1.jpg]

I would think they should make worthy Kossars. For the price, at least, they work well. The bases sure don't like to stand on their own, though! Big Grin

Tim
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#20
Thanks, I think most of those models would actually work quite well as Kossars. Shame that they don't seem to have any Rus models with bows though.
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