Hmmm. That is not good. A like my Ogres a lot.
As stated Dogs of War are listed as being ignored in the 8th ed PDFs is this the last official word from GW on our army you think ?
I have not gone thru all the PDFs but it does not look good for us in 8th ed now since we seem to be completely erased from any mention in the fluff or the use of the Dogs of War rules for OK .
Until GW officially say we're done, we are not done (merely ignored). Personally, I wouldn't care either way, I'm planning on using the fan-made rules anyway, and for tournament play I have both Dark Elves and Empire to choose from instead.
Yeah, ignored and illegal are two different things. Pretty excited still by all the magic items and new Cannon/artillery rules.
And by default you're looking at the newest Ogre Kingdoms army general! I've spent too much cashola to not use em. Which is fine. They look to be competitive in Tourney play for 8th edition. If only their WS was a little better.
Dogs of War and CD are both being ignored.
Sucks.
i'd just like to say how uplifting it is, after reading that no armies could bring dogs of war, to come here and see everyone standing firm and still committing to playing Dogs of War until the bitter end.
well done, folks.
We're all just too old and/or cheap to shelve them and start something new
Q. May units of Ogres in other army books utilize the Bull Charge
rule? (p16)
A. No.
This is from the 8th edition PDF/Errata section from Games Workshop. Is there any other army book that allows Ogres then Dogs of War and Ogres? If not, isn't that a shout out to little ol' us!
Although an annoying shout out.
The WOC army book has ogres....
(07-09-2010 04:28 PM)JohnHwangDW Wrote: [ -> ]Dogs of War and CD are both being ignored.
Sucks.
Well, at least Chaos Dwarfs get a few sporatic mentions throughout the book. All Dogs of War got is that Tilea is on the world map (Although, hard to see since it's right on the split across two pages - GW sneakily trying to remove us off the map???) and Lucrezzia Belladonna Golden Daemon silver I think in the miniatures section.
But then again, story of Dogs of War's life I guess. Chaos Dwarfs just seem to have more going for them. Although to be fair, I guess Tileans get mentioned more in the novels and at least have a personality given to them.
Yeah. I hate to say it, but my 5K Dogs of War Pirates might end up as a 3K Ogre army with some Empire and Dwarf Allies.
For now, at least.
It's OK, Sharkbelly.
Lately, I'm sorely thinking to move my Dogs of War army back to Empire:
- I already own Empire Cannons, Helblasters & Mortars, along with Stank.
- my Crossbows, Light Cav, & Heavy Cav are Empire-based models
- my Wizards, Dragon & Duellists (Militia & Swords) all carry over, along with my Ogres (per OK).
I'd have to convert:
- Ricco's Heavy Pike, but I might convert them into alternate Greatswords.
- Chaos Familiars, but those were fielded as Dwarves / Halflings, but maybe count as Flagellants
I think I only lose:
- Galloper Gun & Light Cannon, but maybe convert the guns to use the carriages...
- Braganza's Heavy Crossbows, but I don't field them much anyways
Maybe I should keep these as-is for old-times sake.
I guess it's not a huge loss if I have to play as Empire, but it'll be sad giving up on the army which got me into Fantasy.
You wouldn't have to convert your pikemen as you could just use them as spearmen. In the new rules they work similarly to pikes.
I don't recall Empire Spears having a HA option.
Besides, I'd rather field more Greatswords.
They don't have a heavy armour option, but they can carry light armour and shield. Basically the same effect.
Definitely hold on to the older miniatures. If you ever play in any of Warhammer-Empire's online campaigns, we issue army and unit rules that combine with a lot of Dogs of War rules / units - including the use of the Pavise.
Is a real shame to lose the Galloper gun - easily one of my favourite choices.
I would just keep using the list with friends in 8th ed. If they complain, they aren't really friends.
We have an army list which includes instructions about including them in other armies. We have rules for all the units that were made including the galloper guns.
We can't use Ogre Kingdoms Ogres, but we still have our own and they can stomp now, even if they don't have bull charge.
I don't see the problem.
(07-12-2010 10:31 PM)Freman Bloodglaive Wrote: [ -> ]We have an army list which includes instructions about including them in other armies. We have rules for all the units that were made including the galloper guns.
We can't use Ogre Kingdoms Ogres, but we still have our own and they can stomp now, even if they don't have bull charge.
I don't see the problem.
The problem's we lose the variety offered by the OK list, such as Leadbelchers and Maneaters.
The Leadbelchers were always a very random unit for me anyways. I can only remember a few times when I felt they turned the tide of the battle with their cannons. Their BS skill just doesn't tend to great killing strokes. Now that the cannon is better and the Lores are a lot more dangerous, less use for Leadies.
I always thought that Maneater rule for us allowing a Rare as a Special choice was kinda cheesy anyways. I figured they would fix that in the new Ogre book(whenever it came out), so I was getting ready to be an Ogre General already.
Our Ogres are fine, they can get GW and can still be pretty cheap.
Oh yes, the loss of OK hurts me alot... I love the units and was just about to buy 3 rhinox riders. But well, as John said, maybe I will use my army as Dogs of War/Empire "Hybrid", although I like the mercenaries alot more than the empire.
I have to think over the different options now, since I played DoWs ever since with OK units, this will take som time to "digest"...
I guess I just don't get the Ogre love.
It is not as if we were the ONLY army who could use Ogres, we just happened to get a bit of a boost with the Maneater's slot change to special. Now no one gets to field Ogres, it's not just us who lost that, but Dogs notice it most because what? We NEED them the most?
Dogs of War could make solid, non-Ogre reliant armies in the last edition, and can make even better ones now, and we can STILL include the nearly ubiquitous 'Ogre' unit, as well as the Golgfag option.
(07-15-2010 10:05 AM)Shane Wrote: [ -> ]I guess I just don't get the Ogre love.
It is not as if we were the ONLY army who could use Ogres, we just happened to get a bit of a boost with the Maneater's slot change to special. Now no one gets to field Ogres, it's not just us who lost that, but Dogs notice it most because what? We NEED them the most?
Dogs of War could make solid, non-Ogre reliant armies in the last edition, and can make even better ones now, and we can STILL include the nearly ubiquitous 'Ogre' unit, as well as the Golgfag option.
I thouroughly agree. I was never sold on the Ogres. I use Golfag mor often then not. Now he is coming back into the mix on a permanent basis.
Of course it never helped me that my Maneaters always ran away on rerollable 8's
Cross-posting from the Dogs of War tactics article discussion on Warseer:
Quote:I've thought of a number of intriguing possibilities:
* Mindrazoring a horde halfling spearmen formation for the fun of it? They have Ld8 and I5.
* We get characters included in our RoR units and some of our standard bearers are also named characters too - imagine the possibilities of using buff all characters within 12" with a boost type spells e.g. the spell giving +3S and +3 attacks, giving Golgfag 9 x WS5 S8 attacks and Skaff 8 x WS3 S7 attacks. Al Muktars Desert Dogs have a whopping 3 characters that can all be area buffed and the thought of Blind Ibm having 3 S6 attacks is amusing but they're probably still not worth their points. Beorg, Lumpin and Ruglud's units also have 2 characters in each too so could make use of this.
*Magic spam? We can get combat characters from our regiments so could afford to max out mages with the cool new lores. I like how our wizards are identical to Empire ones except how ours are 5pts cheaper.
* Cursed Company got a boost - 30 of them for 505 is still overpriced but in horde formation they can all get to fight now. The new fear rules mean if their enemies fail they now have WS1 and so we hit them on 3+ which will help kill more. They could be good targets for various buff spells too I reckon and spells like the +3T one could help keep Richter alive.
30 x Long Drongs in horde formation rock. That's a lot more longer ranged shooting and stand and shooting and many more attacks when they are in combat.
Pikes obviously truly suck now, but I personally never intended taking any (I've collected a 2k Pirate themed Dogs of War army) and literally everything in my army just got better, some things quite considerably, so I'm happy using Dogs of War in 8th.
Does anyone know if there are any UK tournaments that allow Dogs of War armies these days? I understand official GW ones don't but I'm hoping some of the indy ones might, but I'm out of the loop with anything bar the Epic Armageddon tournament scene.