Hey all found this little tid bit in my quest for research it is in french but it has everything except those Stirgit's gnobblers. here the link.
it was posted 9 Dec 2009
official French Book from what I could translate
http://www.scribd.com/doc/23660304/Livre...todown=pdf
just took a glance at it.
I have to say, it seems to be okay.
It is just that I am playing most of my games (duh all of them) in the English realm of warhammer. So this french book does me no good..
is there a translation into English somewhere on the net? Of a book with the same content as this one??
It's complete, which is pretty darn impressive.
But who put it up?
It is nicely done, and includes RoRs, Ogre Kingdom, Albion and Dogs of War.
Compalation from Many books and WD articles.
But is it legal GW product?
It's not official, the rules may be, but the work is not. GW wouldn't rename the book "mercenaries" and give it a cover that has nothing to do with warhammer. This is pure fanwork.
Plus GW would have had it available for download from at least the French GW site.
Having had a flick through, it doesn't much more than a cut and paste job from various sources. To make matters worse for themselves they've just ripped all the GW artwork they could find. It's a poor job really, not even worth the bandwidth wasted on downloading it, since most of that info is already available in English from Bilbo and the rest is in White Dwarf so you just have to dig out the relevant issue (not so easy for me, since my collection from before i moved in to my current place is still in the family home)
(01-06-2010 04:45 PM)Baumann Wrote: [ -> ]Having had a flick through, it doesn't much more than a cut and paste job from various sources. To make matters worse for themselves they've just ripped all the GW artwork they could find. It's a poor job really, not even worth the bandwidth wasted on downloading it, since most of that info is already available in English from Bilbo and the rest is in White Dwarf so you just have to dig out the relevant issue (not so easy for me, since my collection from before i moved in to my current place is still in the family home)
I know a person who asked if the images could be used in the Dog of War army book and their legal team said no.
Hmmm Tilea.net uses GW images.
Who wants to call the lawyers on them.
You know you want to...
I wouldn't of course, but that's just me, I like to share
I don't want it to be linked to any person working on the Army Book, that's why I didn't have my wife report them.
@Bauman: I don't know why you denigrate this document. It's extremely good that it's all in one file as a reference to all legal Dogs of War units, rather than spread across a dozen different files and magazines.
If someone were to compile all of the English Dogs of War rules into a single PDF, that would save everybody a lot of trouble.
(01-06-2010 05:18 PM)BilboBaggins Wrote: [ -> ]I don't want it to be linked to any person working on the Army Book, that's why I didn't have my wife report them.
It's okay, we have at least one member here that is on Tilea.net, so they will know in either case now that you said that
(01-06-2010 05:22 PM)JohnHwangDW Wrote: [ -> ]@Bauman: I don't know why you denigrate this document. It's extremely good that it's all in one file as a reference to all legal Dogs of War units, rather than spread across a dozen different files and magazines.
If someone were to compile all of the English Dogs of War rules into a single PDF, that would save everybody a lot of trouble.
Because it's illegal how they did it. They are using GW IP (Images) and no disclaimers.
We can use their images if we use disclaimers?
OK it not official ..the rules are though. The newer GW site realy sucks. Very little info more about selling stuff. The facts this can help peak new intress in the Dogs of War, and with enough of fan base aka increased demand with corresponance may push them to remake them. GW is a self propagating money machine. If there is a place to make money they will. It used to be about the game, but now the money. A tactical mistake on there part; greed but high exploitable to the individual or group that wish to push a point. The new generation does not take the time to research the armies and just buy the stuff place before them in the stores. This if anything, gives those individual that are teetering on the line, a place to start the research. Many outside this group have not played the Dogs of war or as I remember back in the day regiments of reknown when Dave from GW Had a mullet and huge 80's glasses. This can be used as a tool.
(01-06-2010 05:30 PM)BilboBaggins Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2010 05:22 PM)JohnHwangDW Wrote: [ -> ]@Bauman: I don't know why you denigrate this document. It's extremely good that it's all in one file as a reference to all legal Dogs of War units, rather than spread across a dozen different files and magazines.
If someone were to compile all of the English Dogs of War rules into a single PDF, that would save everybody a lot of trouble.
Because it's illegal how they did it. They are using GW IP (Images) and no disclaimers.
So is your redistribution of GW's IP, disclaimers or not. Every time you share a GW-created PDF, that's an illegal violation of GW's IP rights.
Quite frankly, I could care less about the legality of the document. And as you're a repeat offender, neither should you.
It's a good document, a useful document, and a major step forward compared to the situation we currently have.
But that is why I offer the Lost GW pdfs here and other forums (by far the Dogs of War CARE package is most requested by all) for players who want something different. Maybe I have to put it as an ad in Gold and Glory and The Doom Seeker.
But people cutting and pasting GW IP into something they distribute is wrong. It's ok for a fan to makeup rules but not flat out steal their stuff.
@M4c - Stop trying to get the army book to use GW IP Images, it's not going to happen.
(01-06-2010 06:09 PM)JohnHwangDW Wrote: [ -> ]So is your redistribution of GW's IP, disclaimers or not. Every time you share a GW-created PDF, that's an illegal violation of GW's IP rights.
Quite frankly, I could care less about the legality of the document. And as you're a repeat offender, neither should you.
It's a good document, a useful document, and a major step forward compared to the situation we currently have.
Because I'm distributing files legally distributed by GW from their website and I'm not reproducing them for profit or claiming that it's not their IP.
(01-06-2010 06:12 PM)BilboBaggins Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2010 06:09 PM)JohnHwangDW Wrote: [ -> ]So is your redistribution of GW's IP, disclaimers or not. Every time you share a GW-created PDF, that's an illegal violation of GW's IP rights.
Quite frankly, I could care less about the legality of the document. And as you're a repeat offender, neither should you.
It's a good document, a useful document, and a major step forward compared to the situation we currently have.
Because I'm distributing files legally distributed by GW from their website and I'm not reproducing them for profit or claiming that it's not their IP.
As I recall, GW's download screen specifically
Unless you have an actual e-mail or letter from GW Legal explicitly authorizing you to redistribute their files (specific by name), you are knowingly commiting IP "piracy".
If you go to GW's Legal page, they say this:
"Also, do not mirror the resources that we have on our websites. So, if you want other people to see the materials that we have produced, please use a simple HTML link to the relevant web page."
And more specifically this:
"
Out-of-Print Material
Please do not scan, copy, or republish any out-of-print (OOP) materials. It may be that in the future we reuse or license out the use of this material."
As I said, I don't care, but to say that you're doing anything legally is patently and provably untrue in the absence of explicit stated permission by GW Legal.
I'm closing this thread to prevent it degenerating into an argument on .pdfs in general.
But i will make these parting comments;
1)To take someone elses work, to re-word it and use their images without any reference- basically to put nothing original in it- is morally wrong, let alone the legal mess they could get into.
2)When GW put those files up for free download they would have know from their lawyers the whole legal grey area they would be straying into. To cut a long story short, it would be extremely difficult and expensive for them to prosecute Bilbo for freely distributing an originally free file and claiming no rights and or credit to the file.
3)Quote:@Bauman: I don't know why you denigrate this document. It's extremely good that it's all in one file as a reference to all legal Dogs of War units, rather than spread across a dozen different files and magazines.
If someone were to compile all of the English Dogs of War rules into a single PDF, that would save everybody a lot of trouble.
I never said it wasn't helpful to have the resources in one place. but firstly it would have been a little more morally correct to just take all the files, bung them into a folder and offer that for download. Secondly, and most importantly- IT'S IN FRENCH a language spoken only by the french themselves and those poor unfortunates who had to suffer their rule. It would only have been polite to put it in English the real worlds equivalent to D&D Common