Dogs of War

Download: http://www.scribd.com/doc/36852581/Warha...es-Estalia

Figured I might kick this one off as well, posting what I have so far (well, except for the 40 pages of fluff ).

Estalia will, as one could expect, be based upon renaissance Spain, as well as the Inquisition. One could argue that the Inquisition has been moved to the Empire, but since it shows so very little in the Empire army list I wanted to develop on that further here.

This list is hardly unique in that it has many similarities with both the Empire and Dogs of War and, unfortunately, there isn't much to go with on Spanish mythology either, and so the list will very possible feel like an Empire "clone". Nonetheless, the Estalian list will offer a more Hispanic feel for players who want to play a full Estalian list instead of just "counts as" Empire. With out further ado, the basic list of units:

Special Characters:
Miraz, King of Magritta
El Cid
Cortez
Don Quixote
Grand Master of the Knights of the Blazing Sun
Zorina

Lords:
Grand Commander
High Inquisitor
Battle Archmage

Heroes:
Captain
Inquisitor
Battle Mage
Priestess of Myrmidia
- Altar of Myrmidia

Mounts:
Griffon
Warhorse
Pegasus

Core:
Tercio Pikemen (LA, pikes)
Sword and Bucklermen (LA, buckler)
Lancers (HA, lance, shield, mounted)
Jinetes (javelin, shield, fast cavalry)
Arbalests (LA, crossbows)
Diestro (skirmish, 2 HW)
Penitents (morning stars, frenzy)
Serfs (slings, spears)
- Missionary

Special:
Knights of the Blazing Sun (FPA, lance, shield, mounted)
Arquebusiers (LA, handguns)
Conquistadores (HA, handgun, pistol, mounted)
Grenadiers (LA, grenades)
Bandits (scouts, skirmish, bow)
Sisters of Myrmidia (HA, shields, spears)

Rare:
Culverin (cannon)
Black Watchmen (hatred, stubborn, ItP)
Toros Embolados (fire bulls)

And the cover:

Alright! Are you working on this now, or should I stop holding my breath? I'm eager to see what you come up with.

Working on it as I'm writing this

It will likely take quite a while to get it finished though, tend to lose my steam after a while unfortunately, so I can't give you a release date or anything like that yet. Also did a few minor changes to the list unit-wise, found an old Estalia list made in 1996 that had some cool ideas I'd like to implement. I'll keep this thread updated though.

Updated the list with new unit choices/changes.

List proceeds great, have found over a 100 page of material to play with, although it did take a lot of Spanish translation to get it

Working on the bestiary atm, up to 24 pages so far. Also have about 50 pages of background material and 16(!) pages of magic items.

You've got the use of the term 'Tercio' wrong. Tercio is not a reference to pikemen but a combined arms contingent within an army consisting of several units in a mutually supportive formation. For example, pikes supported by arquebusier sleeves (mangas).

In game play mechanics this is most readily translated to the parent/detachment tactics used by the Empire. But you can't really use that since it would make Estalia an Empire clone.

I know tercio refers to the army system as a whole, just used the name given to them in medieval - total war. Tercio Pikemen sounds cooler than just pikemen

Is this the same Estalian project as over on WarSeer?

Yup, sure is (although there are two on Warseer). I generally post them here first, and then I try to get as much feedback as possible from other sources.

Where did you find the old Estalia list? I would be interested in taking a look.

(08-13-2010 10:10 PM)NewGuy Wrote: [ -> ]Where did you find the old Estalia list? I would be interested in taking a look.

Found it here, on an archived page: http://www.oocities.com/infinitycircuit/esthome.html

It's far from the only source material used though, I think I've found about 4-5 Estalia lists with background material to them, most in Spanish. Meaning editing everything to fit together as well as translating it from Spanish correctly will be a real pain in the...

How are you getting on M4c ?

With my Estalia list? Should be finished today or tomorrow if all goes to plan, only have a few magic items, the Lore and the reference sheet left to do.

After a lot of toiling, I am now finally finished with version 1.0 of the list. Hope you enjoy it

http://www.scribd.com/doc/36852581/Warha...es-Estalia

Cool! I'm still not familiar with 8th edition, so I can't really comment on the effectiveness of the units, but I think it looks good! One question- can Inquisitors join units other than their retinue, and if so does their retinue come with them?

Inquisitors can yes, because they are not forced to take a retinue. High Inquisitors are forced to take a retinue though, so cannot join other units. I could possibly change that later on though, depending on how the Inquisitor's retinue fares in battle. If they just get blasted by turn one, I might have to.

Another question- Do characters in a unit carrying the banner of defence benefit from the bonus to armor saves? If so, I could theoretically build a Lord with a -1+ armor save, which would be both awesome and frightening.

Yes, as he's part of the unit. Having characters with a -1 armour save wasn't that big a deal in last ed, and in 8th ed with so many return attacks, it's even less so.

I haven't read the list (or your Norse list) as I am too busy with work and my own Norse list atm, but the 1- armour save is not an issue in 8th edition as 1+ armour save is the maximum you can achieve.

Truth be told - La Vibria is actually a Spanish myth - though the serpent is really a dragon and the Count rides a horse and fights by himself.

(09-04-2010 07:04 AM)Grim Squeaker Wrote: [ -> ]I haven't read the list (or your Norse list) as I am too busy with work and my own Norse list atm, but the 1- armour save is not an issue in 8th edition as 1+ armour save is the maximum you can achieve.

Ah, so that's why you haven't commented yet, I thought you were mad at me or something

I have seen your 8th ed version of Norse, and it really is an improvement, the only criticism I have there is that is is almost if you have tried too hard

(09-04-2010 10:48 AM)SupremeElemental Wrote: [ -> ]Truth be told - La Vibria is actually a Spanish myth - though the serpent is really a dragon and the Count rides a horse and fights by himself.

Figured it had something to with Spanish myths I did mention you in the credits for it

(09-04-2010 12:58 PM)M4cR1II3n Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-04-2010 07:04 AM)Grim Squeaker Wrote: [ -> ]I haven't read the list (or your Norse list) as I am too busy with work and my own Norse list atm, but the 1- armour save is not an issue in 8th edition as 1+ armour save is the maximum you can achieve.

Ah, so that's why you haven't commented yet, I thought you were mad at me or something

I have seen your 8th ed version of Norse, and it really is an improvement, the only criticism I have there is that is is almost if you have tried too hard

(09-04-2010 10:48 AM)SupremeElemental Wrote: [ -> ]Truth be told - La Vibria is actually a Spanish myth - though the serpent is really a dragon and the Count rides a horse and fights by himself.

Figured it had something to with Spanish myths I did mention you in the credits for it

Thanks man Say, check out my complete army list for the Great Serpents - it's on this site now

(09-04-2010 12:58 PM)M4cR1II3n Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-04-2010 07:04 AM)Grim Squeaker Wrote: [ -> ]I haven't read the list (or your Norse list) as I am too busy with work and my own Norse list atm, but the 1- armour save is not an issue in 8th edition as 1+ armour save is the maximum you can achieve.

Ah, so that's why you haven't commented yet, I thought you were mad at me or something

I have seen your 8th ed version of Norse, and it really is an improvement, the only criticism I have there is that is is almost if you have tried too hard

Hehe no, I am not mad Its just an time issue, I swear. I will comment, it is only that the Norse play-testing is proving to be an workload I didn't expect since I did so much in 7th edition version... I was wrong! Also, I am struggling with Agnar Grayskin's fluff and rules.

Just skimmed over this list and really enjoy the army. Only thing I immediately reacted on was Tactical Supremacy special rule allowing units to re-roll rally tests. March, Reform and Redirect charges, all seems like tactical moves, but rallying seems more like a panic reaction to me. I would change the Sword and Bucklermen to Swashbucklers - Sword and Bucklermen sounds weird to me.

I agree with the swashbucklers idea.

(09-04-2010 08:54 PM)Grim Squeaker Wrote: [ -> ]Only thing I immediately reacted on was Tactical Supremacy special rule allowing units to re-roll rally tests. March, Reform and Redirect charges, all seems like tactical moves, but rallying seems more like a panic reaction to me.

I would say that rallying can be very tactical, for instance if you're baiting and fleeing to draw out an enemy unit.

(09-04-2010 11:39 PM)NewGuy Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-04-2010 08:54 PM)Grim Squeaker Wrote: [ -> ]Only thing I immediately reacted on was Tactical Supremacy special rule allowing units to re-roll rally tests. March, Reform and Redirect charges, all seems like tactical moves, but rallying seems more like a panic reaction to me.

I would say that rallying can be very tactical, for instance if you're baiting and fleeing to draw out an enemy unit.

You mean fleeing can be tactical, and I agree, but I don't agree rallying is...